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'You can't sustain a career on shocking people': is Bret Easton Ellis genuine? – books podcast

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On this week’s show, the American Psycho author meets Alex Needham, the Guardian’s arts editor, to discuss the controversy about White, a collection of essays and his first book in 10 years. Ellis explains why he is not interested in attention, his theory of “post-empire” culture in the US and why he is “deeply sympathetic” to millennials.

Plus, Claire, Sian and Richard discuss the appointment of Simon Armitage as the UK’s new poet laureate.

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